Conversation number 1 [Note: references given below the
conversations - there are two of them].
Prabhupada: No, we... "It is voluntary. In our society
we find so many brahmacaris, [celibate students] so many grhasthas [regulated
householders] And if you cannot stop this itching sensation, all right,
marry one girl and live peacefully like a gentle... What is this nonsense,
every three weeks divorce? We are not so rascal. If we accept one girl
as my wife, I take full responsibility. Because I require a girl or woman,
so this woman, that one... We are not so rascal that at home I have got
woman, I am searching after another woman, another naked woman. We are
not so madman. The sex pleasure is there at home, and I am seeking after
sex pleasure in here, here, in the club, in the... What is that? Is that
vagina is different? You are so fool. You require vagina; take one vagina.
Be satisfied. And lick it. Why you are going here and there, here and there,
here and there? Even old man is going to the nightclub to lick another
vagina. Is that civilization? You are proud of your civilization." Tell
them like that. "Licking of the vagina, different, obnoxious smell. You
are less than the dog. The dog likes to smell the vagina. You are like
that. What is business of going another vagina? You require vagina. Take
one and be satisfied. That is intelligence. First of all there is no need
of vagina. But if you want, take one and be satisfied. Why you are searching
after dog vagina, this vagina, that vagina, that vagina? Is that civilization?"
Expose them like that. "Your brain is filled with so much stool, so we
are washing it. What is the wrong there?"
Adi-kesava: Actually they all need brainwashing.
Prabhupada: Yes, "Every one of you require, because your
brain is filled up with stool. You have no brain. Brain is covered with
stool." What they will answer?
Satsvarupa: That "If I want to have a stool brain, it
may be lamentable, but don't force me to be washed.
Prabhupada: It is not force. It is no...
Satsvarupa: Let me remain in stool.
Prabhupada: We are preaching. It does not mean that we
are forcing. We are saying that "Your brain is in stool. Wash it like this.
If one agrees, he does it. Not that in our movement all world has joined.
One who is intelligent, he has agreed, 'Yes.' I am not forcing. If I would
have possessed that forcive power, what right you have got to bring me
in the court? You are forcing me to stop this. You are forcing. Nobody
can force, but you are forcing." You should take this argument and expose
them at least in the court, licking of the vagina civilization, like dog.
Yes animals do that.
Adi-kesava: I think the more strongly we preach in this
way, that we don't try to give in and compromise...
Prabhupada: No, no, no.
Adi-kesava: The more that everyone will hear about this
Prabhupada: We must expose them, that's all. This is our
business. This is a good opportunity in the court, so that it will be published.
People will know what is our philosophy. Licking of vagina civilization,
Adi-kesava: All right.
Prabhupada: What they have got anymore, this Western civilization?
Adi-kesava: They say that they are all actually in despair.
They don't see any hope in the future.
Prabhupada: This is their position.
Hari-sauri: Their only hope in the future is that we'll
eat trash, process trash and...
Prabhupada: What is that?
Indian: (Bengali) (break)
Prabhupada: All, let us sit down here.
Hari-sauri: In the room?
Prabhupada: Yes, Gaura-Nitai. Is that argument all right,
licking the vagina civilization?
Adi-kesava(?): Very bold.
Hari-sauri: No one's ever talked to them like that.
Prabhupada: But this is a fact. The old man, seventy-five
years old, he's going to lick up another vagina in the club. This is your
Adi-kesava: Sometimes in New York... You know we live
right next to Broadway. The temple is right next to Broadway. Sometimes
in New York we see old, old men...
Prabhupada: And in France it is very... In France you
Prthu-putra: In France, yes. All the prostitution going
on around the temple.
Adi-kesava: You see even old, old men going to these clubs.
Hari-sauri: If you can still have sex when you're seventy-five,
then you're a great man. Glorified.
Prabhupada: Just see. This is their civilization. In Paris
there are so many clubs. The old men, they first of all pay fifty dollars
to enter into the club. Then he selects which vagina he will lick up. Then
another payment. I know that. (aside:) No, he can be asked to sit down
Hari-sauri: To sit in the room.
Prabhupada: Yes. Actually this is the fact. But they are
fools. They still like to lick up new vagina. Exactly dogs. We are restricting
that "Give up this business, licking of vagina," and they are seeking up
to the point of death another vagina, another vagina, another... Which
is better? If we say that "Give up this nonsense business," is that brainwash?
And if it is brainwash, it is for good. What is this civilization, who
is never satisfied? The same business is going on up to the point of death.
Our civilization is: "All right, you are attached to vagina-licking. Do
it up to fifty years. Then give it up." This is our civilization. "You
are so much accustomed to the vagina-licking business--up to fifty years,
so long you are young. Then give it... Don't do it anymore." This is our
civilization. And that also, after twenty-five years. For twenty-five years
teach him, "It is no good business. Brahmacari. Remain alone. You have
got so much botheration." If he's still unable: "All right, take one wife.
Be satisfied. Lick up one. And then, at the age of fifty years, give up."
This is our... Is that wrong?
Satsvarupa: It's good.
Hari-sauri: It's great.
Prabhupada: Because unless you give up this business of
vagina-licking, you'll have to be entangled in this body. Either as a dog
or as a hog, as a human being or as a demigod, as a tree, as an insect,
it will go on. In this way plead. Let the people understand what we are
preaching. Advance this philosophy, widely discussed. Then our success.
Hari-sauri: There's no question this will be widely discussed.
Prabhupada: And... (someone enters) (Bengali) (break)
Smelling the aroma, such a nonsense.
Hari-sauri: As you say, just like dogs.
Hari-sauri: Just like the dogs.
Prabhupada: Dogs and all animals, smelling vagina. They
think, "Here is real pleasure."
Hari-sauri: There's no need to move around, Srila Prabhupada...
Prabhupada: They're going for vagina and paying heavy
toll: fifty dollars for entering the club, then two hundred dollars for
drinking. You know this?
Prabhupada: This is their civilization, vagina civilization. In Florida they go, Miami, to spend money weekly, five hundred, five thousand dollars for naked dance. You know that?
Hari-sauri: Yes. So many places. Las Vegas. Every big
Prabhupada: And Brahmananda told me sometimes they see
on the stage a fatty woman having sex with an ass. This is exhibited in
Mexico. And they enjoy it.
Hari-sauri: In Europe they have sex fairs.
Prabhupada: Sex fair? What is that?
Hari-sauri: You can go, and they have sideshows, men and
women having sex on the stage at regular intervals, and they exhibit all
kinds of contraptions that you can use to pervert your sex life even more.
Prabhupada: What they will understand about this Krsna
Hari-sauri: There's not very much hope for them.
Prabhupada: Help is for everyone, but if they remain stubborn
to their own way of life, then it is not possible. They have to wash the
brain. Otherwise it is possible.
Hari-sauri: You explain in the Bhagavatam that everything
actually is just an extension of the sex desire.
Prabhupada: That's it.
Hari-sauri: Their whole big cities and so much industry...
Hari-sauri: ...and work is just simply...
Prabhupada: For the central point--vagina. Yan maithunadi-grhamedhi-sukham hi tuccham. The other day... Maithunyam agaram ajnah vindati tapan.
Hari-sauri: Rsabhadeva's instructions. (end)
[S.P. Room Conversation, February 19, 1977, Mayapura]
Conversation number 2
Prabhupada: Everywhere. This male and female, nature's gift that is. Therefore tasyaiva hetoh. These things you'll get.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. So why use the...?
Prabhupada: Why you are after these things?
Tamala Krsna: Hm. Wasting human life.
Prabhupada: You'll get woman. So be satisfied, the nature's gift of woman, nature's gift of your position, and utilize your life for Krsna consciousness. Why more and more, more, and naked and this way and that way? The other day what did I say? Vagina-licking civilization.
Tamala Krsna: Vagina-licking civilization.
Prabhupada: They're spending so much money for vagina-looking.
Tamala Krsna: Oh, that's their whole consciousness.
Prabhupada: Yes. The money is earned with so hard labor and it is spent for vagina-looking.
Tamala Krsna: Polished dog society.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes, dog also smells the vagina, and they also do the same thing. Therefore nature has arranged that dog are smelling vagina on the street. One vagina and three dozen dogs surrounded.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. Vrndavana you see that.
Tamala Krsna: Now that's going on in America. They are spending money just for that.
Tamala Krsna: Three dozen men look at one woman, same business.
Bali-mardana: And they make big literatures, magazines, everywhere, all over the streets. They put them in the street...
Tamala Krsna: The big thing now in America, the most popular shop, is called "Adult Books." "Adult Bookshop."
Hari-sauri: "Adult cinema," "adult this," "adult that."
Prabhupada: Topless, bottomless. Yan maithunadi-grhamedhi-sukham hi tuccham kanduyanena karayor iva duhkha-duhkham, trpyanti neha krpana bahu-duhkha-bhajah. Bahu-duhkha-bhajah. Krpana. The rascals. Krpana means non-brahmana, without any spiritual knowledge. They are never satisfied, the vagina business. Trpyanti neha krp-- although it is followed by so much miserable condition--bahu-duhkha-bhajah kandutivan manasijam visaheta dhirah. One who is dhira, sober, he tolerates little itching sensation: "What this nonsense?" And if you practice toleration, there will be no more. Finished. You become liberated. Therefore, from the very beginning of life, childhood, this teach him, that "Don't be a vagina-smelling animal." Brahmacari. Brahmacari guru-grhe vasan dantah. To learn how to control the senses, that is brahmacari. Where is that civilization? So establish. Give them food. Give them shelter. Give them knowledge. That is para-upakara, doing welfare to others. But don't be entangled in vagina civilization. Yan maithunadi-grhamedhi-sukham. It is most abominable civilization, tuccham, condemned civilization.
[S.P. Room Conversation, February 25, 1977, Mayapura]